Posts by Bill Covert

if you were a young brother in the late 60's you then remember the burden of the draft and the prospect of going to jail for refusing on religious grounds to be called up.

in those days we were taught that to do community service was conscientiously the same as joining the military and so we were told to refuse such exemptions.

How well I rembember. I was instructed in writing that community service in lieu of military induction was a compromise of conscience. I was sentenced in 1968 to pay a $3,000.00 fine and 5 years probation. The judge in Sacramento was a fan of Abraham Lincoln where you could buy your way out of army for $300.00, he tacked on a zero for inflation. He reasoned why send us to prison, the only thing that did was to cost the govt. money to house us, whereas a fine was bringing in money. It took me 7 years to pay off that fine. And I still am pissed about it.

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3rd Gen DF'd finally writing

by AFreeBeliever in

i've been reading many of the postings on this forum for a couplefew years, finally joined today.

i think reading cappytan, and others like that, compelled me to share, it seems i might have a bit of a different outcome than many i have read, perhaps it will be hopeful/helpful to someone.. i was a born-in, 3rd gen jw, my entire family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and most all of my childhood friends) were in.

some dropped by the wayside as the years went on, but many stayed in, and if they didn't, they still acted/talked as if they believed it was "the truth" and it was their weaknesses/failings that made them stop attending.

Bill Covert

Interesting as of how today connection is made that you and I are family. I always enjoyed being arould Norma Lee and Punk just shows how not living in a family is not knowing what goes on. The last time I talked with Judy I could well se what you were up against as she was the local recruiter sending boys to Bethel.

For what it is worth I went into the 'valley of dark shadow' with a special verse in the Bible Micah 6:8 and went through the valley with the realization that everything we learned about the heavenly persons and personalities was true. In my mind I strung together Micah 6:8, Matt.23:23 justice, mercy & faithfulness and Jas.1:27 that true worship from the point of view of God was in our love in him as expressed in how we conducted our life as towards showing the qualties love, kindness, justice and mercy toward his creation. That realization makes possible the view that true worshipers exist through out the various multitudes of religious entities, yet not the posssession of their church rulers, as it is hearts that define worship not dogma. I kept the 'baby' when throwing out the wash water but unlike you I am alone as alone can be, due to my fighting the church.

I will PM you it would be interesting find out the name of a long lost cousin.

Bill

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

Amazing This is something quite unexpected, Yes it is cool.

I really liked your dad and your uncle Jim, I thought Judy's side of the family had a lot more going than the Garig side. I just got on this site about a month ago, yet I have been monitoring it for a couple of years to keep up on internal changes with in the church.I use the material for a letter writing campaign I have been running for several years, it even got included in the "Human Apostate" talk a couple of years ago. I have been fighting the church very hard in the Redding area for many years trying to break their mental hold on famlies minds. Been running a technical angle with a Bible verse relating to a securties fraud. Pretty much at the point of either winning or losing in next few months.

I will try to connect with you on the privite message side and we can talk family and get to know you.

Shalom Bill

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

jwleaks I noticed. Mayby we can do some business. Read my two posts real carefully see if you can pick up on the fine point of how the new Revised NWT rendition of Lev.5:1 has the ability to show that the JW church policy of informing on your brothers is solely based on a deception found in the Sept 1 1987 Wt article "A Time To Speak When". Barbara Anderson and I have been working on this project ever since the RNWT was released. Problem being that is one busy lady. Yesterday she sent me a draft on the the issue of which she sees the value in regard to the molestation issues. I spent the afternoon working on my input. The point is one of those hard to see points but then when you do see it there is a big picture behind it. We will get something worked up to be posted.

As I stated in my posts this fine point is what was the subject of those letters refered to in the Human Apostate talk a couple of years ago. It is also the subject of the letters Barbara remembers from when she was in Bethel when she asked me if perchance I was the man in Northern Calif. who wrote the most offensive letters on anyone in the USA, to which I said bingo. Some how the church took offence when I told them that "I was going to shove a swindler Ray Dale up the Governing Bodies ass so far and so hard that they were forever going to have a foul taste in their mouths and and I was going to use Lev.5:1 to do it".

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

AFreeBeliever Was you Dad Punk? The machinist.

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

A Free Believer

Eunice is my mother, her name was Eunice Covert. I lived in the Crow Canyon house in 1966. So then who are you? We are family. Bill

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

Stuck in the middle37

Glenn Colombo moved from Santa Cruz to Redding mid 1980's, sold a automotive vinyl stripping busness to finance "Dale and Colombo Financial Planners Inc". Basicly Glenn was a chump who got taken in by a truly devious decitful shyster. Although Glenn was right in there when the dastardly deeds were done. Glenn was prideful on his supposed ability to bull shit his way through life. He was a terror to the to the flock in position of elder. He lost his money invested in Ray Dale and I am sure he had to sign legal documents stating he had no issues with Ray Dale before Ray would let him out of partnership. Went back to Santa Cruz. I saw on TV that his son was a surfing champion, heard he was disfellowshiped and daughter was also out following the surfing crowd.

Last thing I heard was when one of my sons was in Mexico he ran into Glenn and Barbara.

Glenn enjoyed the feel of power as he was the trumpet section for Ray Dale as Dale had all the main positions of influence and power. Ray Dale bought his positions, 'simony', the main seller of positions of power was circuit overseer Billy Ford [who came to his end when his little fat assed son in law of whom Billy Ford convinced the church to make a circuit overseer got caught poking fun at the sisterhood as he made his rounds through the circuit].

I think I heard Glenn's mother got stung to trying to bail out her baby boy from the clutches of Ray Dale, though not real sure.

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

nonjwspouse YES. homosexual, Thrown out of church somewhere in San Diego area in March 2004 the church said he and wife Carol "left on their own volition with a bad attitude" a pure deception. Shasta County Superior Court case #149893 dated Oct.2003 - March 2004 Ray was swindling a widow out of a deed of trust on a house, when case finished they threw them out. Carol was a good person just married to wicked and evil swindler, she came through Redding a few years ago after divorcing Ray seems he was a real ---- sucker. Court case #149893 was kept secret because of my holding the WBTS feet to the fire that their traveling men sold Ray positions of authority and took bribes protecting him from being held accountable of swindling my mother in law. I hired a privite investigator who uncovered court case #149893 in 2007. My wife left the marriage vows in May 2004 two months after case #149893 was concluded, because I was a threat to her spirituality. So the church was hiding the case because of how I was using Lev.5:1. At the Appeals hearing of my disfellowshipment the head Judge let the cat partially out of the bag as to case #149893, although it was not until I hired the privite investigator I was able to comprehend the lengths the church was willing to cover up the Lev.5:1 connection to the $4.250M unregistered securties swindle.

I understand Ray started his swindling in the early 1980's connected somehow with a multi-level marketing scheme in San Diego. When ever he got in trouble he would tuck his tail between his legs and run out of town. Hence that is over 20+ years swindling the elderly with in the WBTS church.

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Introducing myself

by Bill Covert in

it was suggested that i do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

i am one of those viet nam war felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of wbts.

my mother was from a old time jw family in the calif. bay area the "garigs".

Bill Covert

It was suggested that I do a post of introducing myself rather than just starting to do posting.

I am one of those Viet Nam War felons who had to refuse community service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions of WBTS. My mother was from a old time JW family in the Calif. Bay Area the "Garigs". I first started opening eyes after going through the 1975 fiasco then wondering why they were building Wallkill when Armagedddon was just arround the corner. Had some problem with the "spiritual paradise" campaign following the great Bethel apostate witch hunt. Listened VERY VERY careful to Fred Franz early 1980's in Reno Nev. realized he said absolutly nothing, just a lot of heavy emphasizes. In 1984 I read in Wt that we were going to be preaching to the "sons and daughters of those sighing and groaning" of Ezk ch 9, that was when I suspected there was a problem with Matt.24:34. Had problem with "types and antitypes", like the 'spiritual paradise' campaign could not get mind around the main purpose of God writing the Bible solely for WBTS of our day.

Shortly there after, there moved to Redding Calif. two swindlers Raymond C. Dale out of the San Diego area and Glenn Colombo out of the Santa Cruz area. They set up a financial planning firm "Dale and Colombo Financial Planners Inc" and proceeded to screw everybody they could. Their main problem was a $4.250M unregistered securties fraud that went to trial Shasta County Superior Court case #109555. Ray Dale had a 20+ year career swindling the elderly in the JW church. He was a expert corruptor, he was well veresed in the sin of 'simony' the purchasing church positions for money, he was a expert of greasing the palms of the traveling men with bribes Isa.1:23.

In the "Human Apostate" talk of the summer 2013 conventions there was brief mention of "apostate starting to write letters to the loyal ones" that was me. Not rocket science, since there is a strict control of conversing with apostates is forbidden, letters get through the church wall of silence and get into the hands of the internal grape vine. As it is forbidden to read apostate writings any reading the material will keep quite hence elders have no idea who gets letters. As Ray Dale was the subject there were readers to spread the information through the internal grape vine. I started writing letters in 1990 to Service Dept as to Dale's frauds. Barbara Anderson was able to explain how things got so screwed up as to the Service Dept being unable and unwilling to investigate the accusations of fraud. She said the answer was in who sat on the Service Dept Northern Calif. desk, a Merton Campbell. Suggested Googling Merton Campbell and come up with how he was the one who screwed up the molester 25 miles down the road in Red Bluff, James Henderson. So mystery solved as to why the Service Dept. would have Ray Dale the 'fox' investigate why there were dead chickens in the hen house.

Barbara asked if I was the man in Northern Calif of whom when she was in Bethel had the reputation of writing the most offensive letters of anyone in the USA, bingo, that was me. Somehow they took offensive when I said I was going to shove Ray Dale up the ass of the Governing Body so hard and far that they were going to have a fowl taste in their mouths. I did two posts on this site dealing with the subject matter of my letter writing "Lev.5;1 connections to Mystery Letters of Human Apostate" talk and inquiry of "Floyd Kite and San Diego Swindle" .

I was made aware of this site a few years ago by a former poster who went back into church for family sake but continued to work from the inside. For about 3 years I use JWN as a tool to know what is going on inside the church for marterial for my letter writing.

I have paid a heavy price; cut off from 5 sons and 4 daughters in laws,just learned I have 10 grandchildren I don't know all their names nor would I recgonize any of them with out their fathers. Past 11 years $400.000 alimony, plus the hidden costs of mistakes being made as self employed mechanic. The only good thing has been free of a wife who's elevator never went past the third floor. I believe the mental chess game I have been playing with the WBTS over Lev.5:1 has the ability to put the Governing Body in a humilating position to where I get back the family.

Planning on going to Flippers Apostate Fest and meeting some of you folks

Shalom Bill Covert aka "Rabshakeh the village apostate"